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The Mary Sue question is an interesting one. [livejournal.com profile] jenthegypsy, new to fanfic (what an adventure lies ahead!!), was asking me what a Mary Sue is, and, coincidentally, a member of [livejournal.com profile] little_details asked about the origin of the term. The term apparently dates back to a fanfic story in the Star Trek: The Original Series fandom, which actually had an OFC named Mary Sue. However, this site referenced in a comment in the [livejournal.com profile] little_details post has this to say...

She (or he) is created to serve one purpose: wish fulfilment. When a writer invents someone through whom he/she can have fantastic adventures and meet famous people (fictional or real), this character is a Mary Sue. (We don't have a name for the male version -- suggestions?

and that...

storytellers have been rehashing Mary Sue since the dawn of time....

By this definition, most any major canon character would be a Mary Sue, not just original characters. Think about it. Harry Potter? Frodo or Aragorn? And, most especially Jack Sparrow, and all the main characters of Pirates of the Caribbean.

Another referenced article in the [livejournal.com profile] little_details post has this to say about Mary Sue's characteristics...

She has better hair, better clothes, better weapons, better brains, better sex, and better karma than anyone else. Even next to the strong and interesting heroines of twentieth-century media and fiction, she stands out. She is singular; she is impossible to ignore.

Now replace "she" with "he", and you've got Jack Sparrow all over.

You could make a case that any main character in any story is a Mary Sue, unless he or she is a true antihero, with characteristics and adventures that serve as dire warnings rather than desirable examples. And who wants to read that, at least most of the time?

It doesn't seem to me that it's possible to write any character and fail to project one's experiences and philosophies through that character, canon or otherwise. And I don't think I am alone in wanting to read stories that are uplifting, and about people who are extraordinary, in one way or another. So it seems to me we're destined to be inundated with Mary Sues, as we have been since people started telling stories.

Date: 2005-02-12 10:54 am (UTC)
ext_15536: Fuschias by Geek Mama (WTF?)
From: [identity profile] geekmama.livejournal.com
Also remember that in the movie people do not always respond positively to Jack's appearance. He's dressed to draw the eye, yes, and to draw the eye to the fact that he's a pirate, but not everyone responds positively to the fact that he's a pirate. It brings him trouble, which is also linked to yet another flaw of his, the need for recognition at the expense of his own safety.

And that flaw is what makes him so hilarious. He has this "look at me!" attitude, like a little kid, and then when people don't respond appropriately, he's all "Huh? But the worst thing would be if someone didn't know who he was. It's that ego thing, tripping him up. He wants to be remembered, by friends and enemies alike.

Date: 2005-02-12 11:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityday.livejournal.com
Norrington: You are, by far, the worst pirate I've heard of.

Jack: Ahh, but you have heard of me.

Date: 2005-02-12 11:22 am (UTC)
ext_15536: Fuschias by Geek Mama (Pirate!)
From: [identity profile] geekmama.livejournal.com
Precisely!

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